A Question I struggled on---2005

A Question I struggled on---2005

Here is a question I had some struggles with.. But thanks to a friend I got things a little bit more clear now.

“alirght.. to make my question clear to you.. this is what I asked k... "Real Faith Without Works is DEATH" James 2. 14--26
so when some christians say "believe.. and you are saved" --- wouldn't this saying be wrong?”

“You are a deep thinker and that’’s awesome! I love it and like to think that I am too…… I challenge you not to look to the bible as and answer book though, and start to see it as God’’s story to us, for us, and about us and now you find yourself in the midst of that story. Why? Because it we truly believe that the God is alive and his Spirit at work within us then answers aren’’t these things hidden somewhere in an archaic language that of the past. They are waiting before us to be discovered in the working our of our faith. As a believer in the way of Jesus I think we are to be contributing to an understanding of scripture by interacting with it.
Here is a bit of the history, and probably too much of my opinion on the answer to your question, and it’’s one of the hardest part of our faith to explain in a simple quick way. We are spending much time, and a whole book reviewing this topic with the servant leader team:
There are a lot of statement in the bible saying that belief and faith are ““all”” that it takes to be ““saved.”” What that of course that does, as I’’m sure this is what stirred up the question, is causes people to say they ““believe”” without ever living like it. Now of course we have to be careful not to judge others hearts, or their actions too quickly after coming to some kind of faith. I think it helps here to see ““conversion”” to Christianity as more of a dance. People have to learn to move in rhythm with God. For some it comes easier, but for many of us it takes years of practice, and there are always more styles to learn, more steps to remember, and more beats to count……just to say once you learn to waltz, God might want to salsa also! So back to the main point……if you have no works (i.e. your faith is ““dead””) are you still saved. Again I must reiterate that I think we are asking the wrong question. I think Jesus makes it fairly clear that he wants us to put our confidence in Him and not what we DO or anything else in this life.
Ok I’’ve been distracted so many times now I have to just sum up by saying this. If you have faith in me will you trust me by doing what I say? If you believe in me will you follow my way of doing things? Does simply thinking some thing make it a belief? Does having all the ““right answers”” and arguing all the ““right things”” equal faith?
That’’s a start.”

Woman Preaching?

Alright! New Discussion!!!

Just to make things clear... Pure Honesty is required in
this response. And yes... you do and must back up your
response with scripture and not just an opinion.

Tell Me..... Is it right in God's eyes for Women to Preach
in the Church? Back up your response... and pay no
attention to the three girls in this group (Shelby, Renea,
and I.... will stay silent for this one.... only response we
can give is scripture---- NO OPINION FROM THE LADIES...
b/c I know what we will all say.

Here is One E-mail I've already got a clear response from......
I will leave it anonymous.... and remember--- All views are
accepted and no we will not be attacking each other... just
voicing ourselves.
(WELCOME NEW COMBERS!) (If this group gets any larger...
I may have to turn it into two separate groups.)

E-mail:

"I wish not to argue with you about women leaders or pastore
but here is a scripture for you to read:
First Corinthians 14: 33-35
33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain
silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in
submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something,
they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a
woman to speak in the church.

I pray that you seek the lords guidance on this. I can tell that you really
dont understand the Bible when it comes to the role of woman in the
church.

Just so you know, I agree that it is ok for a woman to teach such as in a
sunday school class, in discussions, etc. But in regards to teaching the
church during sunday service,

the bible teachings against this.,

If you understand the way the Apostle Paul spoke when he wrote the
13 books of the bible that he inspired through the spirit of god. One of
the things Paul was consisten in was the fact that he was always
correcting the Churches. The reason why Paul taught that women
should remain silent in the church is because back in the days of the
Corint church, women

were not properly following the lead of their husbands and the
church.

YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE
AND WHY THE TEACHING OF THE BIBLE WERE SAID AT THE
CURRENT TIME.

You are very young so I understand why you dont understand
this teaching and possibly others. I pray that you seek the truth
of the scriptures.

Once again, I am not against women helping out with the church,
I am against woman

pastors or leaders. Remember, A man is the head of a woman,
and there is a reason for this. It is called the sin of Eve how led
her husband into sin. It was eve who sinned first.

Men are called to lead the church, women are called to follow
and be submissive.

It is the same way in a marriage.

It is not me who says women should not teach, it is the bible
that teaches this.

God will use you, just dont teach in the church. DO YOU
WANT TO LIVE IN SIN?

Take care